Fascists.
Imagine having to warp reality THIS much, just to make it fit your twisted narrative?
uwu they are working under very hash conditions to terrorise children and other civilians
Bet everyone keeps on using their google phones though…
Moaning online aint gonna do shit. Not buying their new phones, not using their old phones, will send the message you want to send. Get an old nokia, or a dumb phone, or two cans and piece of string, or no phone. If you think this is action by google is them cosying up to fascists, then you have a duty to harm that company by not giving them money.
They rely on convenience to trap you. Turn your phones off, dont buy the new ones, get dumb replacements if you need to. Fuck apple and fuck google for cosying up to this admins Gestapo bullshit.
Their phones don’t make them that much money. Don’t use the search service.
It’s just hard to drop the maps especially when car software will only pair with google maps. That’s about the only thing that does not have an easy alternative.
I’m using organic maps, and a simple phone holder does the trick in the car. No need for the on-screen navigation.
Cops will give a ticket for distracted driving if a phone is used even in navigation. The screen is a safety feature.
What? As long as I program the route before starting and don’t touch my phone until I arrive, nothing happens.
Nothing to do with touching it. If it’s presently in use in any way they will ticket for distracted driving. Some people are even pstd if someone beside the driver is using their phone. The screen provided way to circumvent this issue.
In which country is that? I’ve used my phone for navigation for the last 10 years or so without issues.
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Buy a map book. Plan your journey in advance. Cars were a thing for decades before map software was a thing, and everyone muddled through. You can too.
That’s unrealistic and a much slower option than other map software.
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I grew up using maps to navigate. I learned land navigation before you were working a full time job. I don’t use Google’s search engine. I don’t buy their new phones. How do I know you’re not the fascist bootlicker, being a rage-baiter online to sow discontent?
Well, you could try not being a fucking moron? I mean, Im telling you all to drop google and apple. How in the blue fuck would that advance my position, if I was a fascist bootlicker?
Look, its real fucking easy. You do something, or you dont. But if youre not going to, then be fucking honest about it. Dont make shit up about how its too hard to read a map, or that you wont be able to make calls or whatever other stupid as fuck excuses have been made. You are all moaning about the gestapo running around, and how these mobile providers are supporting their actions. The action required is clear, turn off your phones. Dont buy new ones. But here we are, fuck know how many replies in, and its nothing but “Oh, I would. But then, how could I find my way around?” Or “oh, I would. But linuxphone isnt ready yet…”. Like old nokias or dumb phones arent a valid option. But what do they not have? Social media bullshit. Which makes the argument they are making pretty fucking clear. They only care about being seen to be standing up to fascism. If they cant get the up arrows, they dont want to do it.
Its the same with Amazon treating its workers like shit. Everybody moaned, but no one stopped ordering because that would inconvenience them too much. A generation of moaners, thats all these people are. With no fucking backbone to actually stand up for what they, say, they believe in.
It was also much more dangerous. I know, I was there.
Somethings today advanced for safety reasons for very good reason. If it comes negotiating conspiracy over safety I think it’s at that moment that it’s fair to say it is unreasonable.
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Well Someone is so delicate and offended in this thread they started ad hominem attacks and name calling. It sure isn’t me, little snowflake. Maybe you should calm down.
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One of the founders of Fairphone is working on a European alternative phone OS called Mobifree, which is also open source. Google free Android also already exists.
Vulnerable to Fascism?
Well, I’m sure they wouldn’t give encryption keys away.
VulnerableSusceptible
I think they’re less “vulnerable” and more “fragile”
“Afraid of any sort of accountability”
Oh? Are we giving them privacy?
if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear
Yeah, maybe it would be in our interests to make all government communications public access. If it isn’t a matter happening outside our borders, have it open. Maybe a classification for certain discussions that requires they be released in a timely manner, and when reviewed by a 3rd party if any information is attempted to be hidden they are immediately removed from their position and an investigation starts as to whether the offense should be criminal.
The timely manner would have to be monitored as in “we are going to performing a drug raid” they get a warrant that allocates them 2 days to have discussions pertaining to that topic, organize and execute it. Then release all communications immediately following. If they don’t believe they can perform it in that time they need to submit it in their warrant request as to the reason why, time period, and date the information will be made public.
If we wrote strict laws on it, the judges would be held accountable for giving out warrants brazenly, and the executive branch would be kept in check by such
Maybe we should consider some sort of informational freedom act.
That’s a great idea. They can always choose to totally ignore it if it ever becomes inconvenient like the Epstein files.
Federated solutions which can’t be stopped, self hosted, and available via Fdroid.
Only real answer.
Until Google revokes publishing privileges for side-loading applications. I think we’ll have to go further and get used to making PWAs and regular websites.
side-loading
You mean “installing normally.” “Sideloading” is fucking anti-property-rights loaded language.
Good point. Wild how these ghouls have normalized their bullshit language.
Do you have a better, simple word for what they’re banning?
installing?
downloading and installing programs.
But they’re not banning downloading and installing programs. What are they blocking, specifically?
They’re banning programs from being installed unless the installation has their consent
Isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?
They’re banning non google-drmed app installs
regular installs of apps by unverified or suspended developers
they can still be installed by
- signing it yourself
- installing via
adb - disabling Google Play Protect
whenever I point this out to the drama queens here, they get hissy
Yes. Just looking for a simple 1-3 word term that encapsulates this
Loading non-playstore apps?
“Ownership.”
What do you call installing an application on a computer?
I say “I
apt-getit”
I can’t believe Steve Jobs was right all along.
Right? A well protected browser is about the best tool in this shi-nternet future.
Back before iOS had apps, webapp devs were clever AF. There was Beejive web for multi-IM and all sorts of clever stuff.
One can still put an icon for webapps on the home screen, and the OS even displays it as a full screen app. (Android has similar but not as elegant.)
Steve Jobs just didn’t have the right foresight. PWA’s were a solution when the web was supposed to be the future of applications distribution. If he knew native apps were still the future and in app advertising and microtransactions were going to be where all was at, he would never have pushed PWA’s. Steve was a salesman first and foremost
He believed if he made quality products, that the stock price increases all the soulless capitalists demanded would follow. Which of course they did. Then Tim Apple took over, and quality went out the window in favor of stock buybacks. Kind of like Boeing.
Allow vendors to completely control what apps run on your phone and banning websites and PWAs becomes trivial for them. Browsers are apps.
Google started using buzzwords of sideloading as to make a boogeyman security issue, to get people to side with them. its just installing, other than thier main store.
sideloading existed long before mobile OSs
They can only do that to phones running gapps
The issue with this is that like 95% of android devices run android with gapps and re-imaging your phone is becoming increasingly more difficult as manufacturers lock down their bootloaders. Normies who aren’t technical are not gonna want to mess with that shit. I’m not saying this to instill hopelessness but highlighting that it’s a challenge.
For censorship circumvention, mainstream tech is gonna continue to be increasingly useless. We need to educate people about these matters and also try to encourage people to lean heavily into decentralised comms like lora/meshtastic
All phones run gapps by default, other than those in Mainland China, that is.
How about web apps or even regular sites with a mobile friendly UI?
Oh no, vulnerable 🥺 they need DEI? They need to be a protected class? 🥺
Surveillance is suddenly wrong when it’s the peasants surveiling wannabe samurai? 🥺
Can I just be “that guy” and point out the CEO of Google is “Sundar Puchai”?
Who do you think Trump is coming for, you fucking idiot? It’s not guys like me named “David”.
I hate this. I hate that they are targeting “minorities”, or Hispanics, or Indian folks… But many people in charge who are part of these groups don’t even care. They think they are special. You’re money doesn’t make you immune, you complete goddamn waste of oxygen.
We’re trying to fucking help you. Stop condemning fellow human beings for the sake of profits. You are damning your children, and your family. You are selling them for gains. We hate you, and so do your children.
Rich Brahman caste Indians, or similar believe they are the ones most similar to rich white people. At least if you looked into Indian caste system, they are notoriously conservative and probably racist too. Usha, is also part of it
Evil thrives in darkness
They need to be protected alright, with thick concrete walls, iron bars, locks, and guards. Nobody in or out for a few decades oughta keep them nice and safe
The irony is so rich.
To anyone that had doubts about governments putting restrictions on app stores, here is your proof. The level of power the current situation grants this duopoly is excessive and dangerous.
I thought we had all the proof we needed when Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai were snuggling up to Trump at dinners and the inauguration
google had been snuggling up to conservatives for a while, mostly around mid-pandemic, when they removed restrictions on not banning election denial, and then snowballed into right wing propaganda videos plaguing youtube ever since. they are part of the problem, even moreso than APPLE. and google recently made deals WITH ISRAEL to allow thier propaganda to fester the site.
Calling masked, armed, armored thugs and terrorists with a disregard for the law a “vulnerable group” is a bit thick, isn’t it?
aaand that’s why we need to be able to install apps without their vetting.
I mean… You only need the APK 👀
for now
I already switched from Chrome to FF, I guess my phone needs a better OS next.
great for a very small subset of people, lets ask an Abuela to side load an apk. its what makes these decisions by google/apple so fucking awful, they are direct attack on civilians.
I miss the days of just needing a url
and an RPK
This practice is by nature anti-competitive. All they’re creating is a monopoly covered up by a promise of a walled garden.
As such, this shouldn’t even be legal under todays jurisdictions.
they always get a pass though. we are the ones who have to move our asses with this situation.
you can
it’s also why apps that can be websites should
Was ever any doubt who corporate America would side with?
Capitalists will align with the devil if it means greater profits. Turns out an economic system catering to the selfishness and greed of the individual is not compatible with democracy.
The agents who implement state violence are not a group. They’re agents of the state.
And now Google is directly collaborating with an oppressive autocratic regime.
Curiously, while in character, it’s about the stupidest thing companies can do, at least according to Mike Brock
But yes, corporations are notoriously short-sighted when it comes to autocrats, even with a long history of ultimately getting their assets seized by the autocratic regimes they assisted into power.
I’d like to think this all might be a time to teach common end-users the joys of FOSS and, if necessary, jailbreaking, but that’s still a big ask for the general public even in the face of abduction and rendition.
Someone recommended Kagi in another thread yesterday and that night I finally became 100% google free. Search was the last big hurdle. I was literally the biggest google fanboy. I had google home devices, google wifi, I wanted all their devices, had all their services, everything was set up and integrated. De-googling was fucking hard but I did it and I’m super proud and I’ve learned so much about how tech works setting up my replacement services and devices. Fuck you Google.
How was search and not the usual maps the hardest? The search is what I feel like most people switch first.
Idk I started using organicmaps (comaps now) long long ago. I guess I don’t have a great fundamental understanding of search. Are not most other search engines just hopping on the back of google search engines? I honestly don’t know. Its not an area I’ve spent a lot of time learning about - or maybe I’m just a backwards dude haha.
No, that’s fair play! I think you were just ahead of the curve with ditching google maps :D I use a combo of OSMAnd, Comaps, and Magic Earth (not open source, but has live traffic data).
Nisce I haven’t heard of OSMAnd or Magic Earth I’ll have to poke around!
I had google home devices, google wife, I wanted all their devices
😳
Lmao wife, WiFi, waifu? Where does one begin and one end I don’t even know.
