Hey, coming from a history teacher, (now, server as I make 3-4x as much) — it’s horrid! And I miss teaching every damn day! FUCK AMERICA! Here’s my questions to you.
3 parts:
1: I’m here to ask a legitimate question, if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong then why is “ANTIFA”, now made the “enemy”??? Is it because now we’re living in a “Fascist State” or, (soon to be) state?? Lack of education?? Funding for public funding programs?? Do not know what “ANTIFA” truly means?, etc.
Because as Trump stated he, “he did not know Miller during elections”: so again, Trump: “didn’t even know the writer of Project 2025… but now a member of his cabinet”? So lie right?
The definition of “ANTIFA” means anti-fascism… so people who voted for Trump, how do you feel about this? As our economy is crumbling, are egg prices better? Food costs lower, wages higher? Are you MAGA voters living an “America First” life?
2: USA FAILS on ALL educational fields by a LONG shot we don’t even break the top 30 in anything, do you think this is why we have “president” who “won again”? I just want to understand the MAGA votes views… and want to know… America is not first in anything and prove me wrong PLEASE! So please explain why anyone thinks we’re #1, in honestly anything, but ego?
3: Finally question… if you voted MAGA, has Trump ACTUALLY helped you at all? If so please give me examples and FACTS so I can get a better understanding the voting you made the country suffer through? PLEASE enlighten me and others!
Finally thought: VOTE or STFU! You do not get to complain and comment about politics when your ass was too lazy or didn’t care enough to vote! Sit down and bow out because your voice DID NOT AND NOW doesn’t matter, just like you not voting put us here!
So ONLY comment if you had/have a voice with that vote please (any vote, not just MAGA).
Thank you!!!
I’m not American but Dutch, but our far-right government also really hates Antifa so the answer is probably similar.
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Antifa is anti-fascist, yeah. But the name is most often not used by all people who are anti-fascist but rather by a rather extreme subgroup of people who have a tendency to escalate protests into riots. They often seem to fight for something good, but not really with the means that are approved by the more centre-leaning average people.
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Both MAGA and the Dutch far right are also a bit fascist, although MAGA is more advanced in that regard, so they probably don’t really vibe with anti-fascism anyway. It’s all populist politics. They outlaw the “scary left-wing terrorists” to both vilify the left and show their voters that they care about law and order.
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I hung around anti-SJW groups in 2016 and I’m assuming not much has changed.
Basically ANTIFA is painted as a violent group that claims normal things as “fascist”, same as the “leftists” call “normal people” “nazis”. People in these right-leaning circles get shown videos of protests after they go violent and innocent people / property starts getting damaged and are told it’s ANTIFA (I don’t know how much actually is ANTIFA, I don’t follow this stuff anymore). The name of the organisation does not matter because the right does not believe the things they are protesting against to be fascist, thus ANTIFA becomes a lie in their mind.
Looking at it from a leftist perspective, think of tactics like all the bills named the “Protect Our Children” act (or some such) that tries to strip rights away under an innocent-sounding name. Right-wing sees ANTIFA the same as you would see these law names: a deception to calm the masses.
I feel like this is obvious.
(For the record, I voted blue in the last election.)
The vast majority of America’s view on antifa falls somewhere between “they should all be arrested” and “they’re kids who mean well, but are using the wrong methods”.
Do not know what “ANTIFA” truly means?
This seems like the easiest point to explain. A name doesn’t have to mean exactly what it says, and everyone knows this. I could just as easily say “Why are you opposed to MAGA? Do you not want America to be great?” You, presumably, do want America to be great (according to your own definion of “great”) - but you don’t support MAGA. Why? Because MAGA is not the amorphous concept of making America better. It is a political movement with its own cultural context, specific goals, typical methodology, vocal supporters, etc. This is very easy to understand.
Same with Antifa. Sure, the word literally means “antifascist”, but people are going to look at the broader context of their actions, their goals, and the people who are actually in the movement.
I will step back for a monent and say that I personally know little about what the antifa movement actually does. Maybe they spend most of their time operating soup kitchens or lobbying politicians for electoral system reforms with greater transparency. But for the purposes of this question, that is all irrelivant, since this question is about perception.
And what is the perception of antifa? Of what they actually do, who they actually are, and what they actually want? The perception is an angry young man wearing all black throwing a brick through a Starbucks window. His goal is to bring down the amorphous concept of “the system” or “capitalism” via violent extremism to create a world of anarchy - without much of a plan for what to do afterwards if he ever succeeded (which he won’t). The mainstream dislikes this, because in the case that he succeeds (which is unlikely) we would very predictably have everything good in our lives ruined - jobs, stability, secure finances, enough food, clean water, physical safety, etc - because these things depend on the continuation of the system we live in. And in the case he fails, now they have to endure an annoying draft when buying coffee until Starbucks can replace the window. And the mainstream left especially don’t like him because they feel like he is setting them back politically by associating more left leaning ideas with violence and instability, which most people dislike.
This doesn’t really have anything to do with MAGA. The mainstream does not view these as two equal and opposite factions where one side is clearly good and the other evil. The mainstream sees ICE deporting Australians to El Salvador and says “oh, I don’t like that”. And then they see antifa rioting and say “oh, I don’t like that either”. You may ask that if the mainstream’s plan isn’t supporting antifascism, then what is their plan, and the fact is, they don’t need to have a plan to have a opinion about what they do and don’t like. People don’t like slaughterhouse conditions, but still eat bacon. They don’t like climate change, but still want to buy a fancy sports car. The views of any given person will almost never form a logically sound thesis for an idealized state of the world, because people don’t think logically. We see the world, we feel emotional responses, and then we spin up just enough of a logical framework to support our emotional response… That’s it.
Sorry, didn’t answer your other questions.
For questions 2 and 3, Trump supporters feel their lives are much better under Trump? Why? Because “their side” is in charge. Really, that’s it. Humans are emotional. Part of our emotional system is tribalism - our side in charge good. Their side in charge bad. Most MAGA voters live in a political fairy tale where good ol’fashioned America has been under attack from “The Liberals” for decades, and now Trump is here to save us. What exactly constitudes the America we want to return to, and why any given action is justifiable in order to achieve those ends are, again, logical justifications made up post hoc in order to respond to emotional responses. These logical reasons can be bolstered by a steady stream of right wing media, which is the only media they consume - again, because it justifies their emotional responses.
As Victor Frankl said - man can endure any what, just as long as he has a why (or something like that). Well, man can justify any what just as long as he likes his why. Trump is president = my person is president = egg prices are reasonable.
same reason they think vaccines are bad.
The GOP doesn’t think they are fascists. They think the term is only being used to try to deride them without actually being correct. From there, when they see “Anti-fascists” constantly opposing THEM, they think it’s just some violent group that has used an ad hominem attack for their name.
It would be comparable to someone making an anti-shithead group, and then that group is always out trying to stop you from doing whatever you do. Not only would they be a direct problem for you, but the fact that they’re targeting you would imply then that they’re also calling you a shithead.
In regards to #1, Antifa isn’t sold as an “antifascist” organization to the MAGA crowd. It is sold as a “leftist” organization that participated a lot in the BLM protests. This is sold as a big scary group that will make America a bad country.
If you aren’t steeped in right wing media, you wouldn’t know of this organization because this organization doesn’t exist.
if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong
Republicans do not agree.
If so please give me examples and FACTS
It’s a religion, they have faith which is more powerful than facts.
Which is asinine, right?
Which is what?? (Religion) EDIT:MAGA
I am a practicing Christian and this does NOT align with any of our views.
Edit: VIEWS OF MY CHURCH!
The ‘Prosperity Gospel’ does not align with Christian views. But it exists to allow “Christians” (heavy reliance on those quotes) to believe that having immense wealth is a sign that they are one of the chosen. These are the types of mental gymnastics certain people utilize to allow horrible anti-Christian behavior. Soon enough, you see Republicans having a little prayer session before they give massive tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy while taking health care away from millions.
They are using religion to gain what THEY WANT… bottom line. But here we are giving an airbase to Muslims… honestly. Couldn’t care less…
But how do other MAGA “Christians” feel?!
Sure it does
Religions serve to give people a reason to think they’re better than others, that they’re a part of a special group
Don’t need religion to hit religion levels of that with equivalent ease.
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I get whatever you’re saying (but honestly just accepting your opinion and moving on) but you do realize that… I have NO hate… regardless of anything and just want an understanding… but here YOU are with hate… (ironic for you right)?
Jesus “was born by a surrogate” since she was a virgin…
And homie had two dads right…? I get the Bible has a bunch of stuff… but bottom line… this Christian belief stated such. And I cannot complain because things have happened to me and family that only a “miracle” could have happened, and I mean numerous times…
And it’s hypocritical, just like reality, politics, and life. But my church and I believe everyone is life regardless but I get what you are saying… but I am not a part of a church like that!
And honestly, NOT all Christians feel the same and I REFUSE to stop being Christian… because of lack of understanding of what happened in reality and give up morals, especially while Trump, Kirk, and Miller use it to push THEIR monstrous agenda! (READ PROJECT 2025- ENTIRELY— then COMMENT— until then no thank you, it’s fucking the “Handsmaid’s Tale”!!). It’s fucking terrifying and that bald dude Miller is going to kill us all! (I say this every day but you can’t trust a dude whose hair hated him so much it fucking left his body and his height was right behind him!)
They/You can keep trying to push that agenda via religion but I REFUSE TO BE THAT NAIVE! The GOP are pushing THEIR agenda to Evangelists and “DUMB” people believing it!
But the REAL ISSUE IS PROJECT 2025, read it or forever be dumb!
Ps: All “Christians” aren’t the “same”, you have free Christians (like me), Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals (the people jumping to hump Trump) who held a Bible upside down and clearly are not preaching morals as he’s a pedophile…
SHOW US THE ESPTEIN FILES!
DEFLECTIONS!!
Regardless of religion, it comes down to PROJECT 2025 and people “voted” for it.
PS: you all brought my religion into this when I DID NOT was just asking and offered myself (regret-used it against me)! I legit am trying to understand why voting for Project 2025…
Because they’re the “FA” part in ANTIFA
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It’s what you can sell right now. A modern definition is “moral belief in inequality based on identity (race / gender)”. This is what is selling right now because the dream of prosperity with liberalism is over. Shit’s bad. So that is what the propaganda channels have been churning out, on on fox, on social media, on youtube for younger audiences. Ultimately the reason is greed for money / priviledge by people without scruples.
Check out What Is Fascism? An Excerpt From “Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It” | Truthout
It’s only going to get worse from now on.
Not trolling.
But randomly capitalizing words to express your outrage is off-putting. So is pointing at your PhD multiple times when you feel defensive.
Anyway, the answer to your first question answers the rest.
Not everyone agrees that fascism is bad. Yes, it’s what we were supposed to learn in school. But our country has its own history of genocide, racism, and hate. And we largely teach that greed and stepping on others is how to get ahead. I mean, we’re taught the golden rule. But also to be successful even if it means turning a blind eye to the harms you cause.
Our unresolved racial and genocidal karma is also very easy to tap into when folks are scared or feeling stepped on.
Which makes it very easy for a demogague to make the case, you know, maybe fascism isn’t that bad.
Couple this with billion dollar propaganda machines and a lack of critical thinking skills taught in some religions and educational systems, and most folks on the right don’t realize that anti-antifa is logically pro-fascim. And the rest don’t care as long as they get theirs and the right people get hurt.
Because they’ve been fearmongering about them for a decade.
They are FA
So, to your first question (about Antifa), MAGA don’t consider what the current administration (or anything they support) to be fascist. Because they tend to put the conclusion before the question: “I am against fascism. I support these policies. Therefore these policies must not be fascist.”
And because they’ve decided these fascist policies are not fascist, the term “Antifa” to them is similar to “pro-life” for pro-choice people. It’s a term that isn’t exactly accurate but makes the group naming themselves look like the good guys. And in the same way that pro-choice people don’t consider themselves “anti-life” just because pro-life people call themselves that, MAGA people don’t consider themselves “pro-fascist” just because Antifa call themsleves that.
propaganda based on classic mussolini style hate. you pick the opponent who doesnt want you to ruin everything, and advertise them as evil.
are you really a history teacher?
No, they are a server now. If an ex history teacher has to ask this then server was likely a good career move.
I became a server again because I can make almost $5k a month with WAY less hours!! And then I don’t have to deal with people and parents like you all pretending everyone ELSE is wrong and “stupid” for asking questions and telling people how fucked up they are via internet when probably have nothing valid to offer society!
I am happy with my choice, I make so much more money since the American education system is GARBAGE! We do not even rank the top 25-30 in ANYTHING world wide! Hence why they keep cutting funding, keeping Americans dumb… corpo owned media, trolls on the internet, “news stations” but truly a version of “The View”, TikTok/FB for “news” etc. it’s honestly embarrassing!
Have a great day and keep trolling on! ✌🏼
There isn’t any trolling. Anyone with half a brain knows that the MAGA cult leaders pick a target scapegoat … be it “Antifa”, transgenders, or Hispanics, and then sounds the War cry to keep the idiots marching the way they want. There is no way someone with a minimum of a two year degree doesnt realize this.
I’m glad that they aren’t any more
Although the calibre of teachers in the US is fucking abysmal
There are so many wonderful teachers, but also so many appalling ones
Methinks this individual has a theological axe to grind, or at least an agenda to push
Also, many “academic institutions” in 'Murica are religious, and the pieces of paper they hand out aren’t worth shit in the civilised world
Antifa has been branded by the GOP as a group that does not follow a specific ideology purely focused on fascism, they’ve been marked as a “dangerous, violent, leftist (important point) group.”
The politicians are using the antifa boogyman as a political tool and the MAGA supporters are just opposing a group they see as “leftist terrorists.” In their eyes it has nothing to do with any kind of “legitimate” resistance to fascism so they’ll outright reject the notion that being against Antifa means your for fascism.
They’ve been conditioned to absolutely loath anyone on the left with the most pure burning hatred, so in using the qualifier “leftist” in their description they invoke the thought terminating process, leftist means you hate them without thought, and antifa is now a label you can put on anyone you want to persecute. The “base” may have been conditioned to despise “the left,” but I think we’re still at the point where the right can’t simply say “we’re arresting them because they’re Democrats that are protesting our actions” so they need this “dangerous terrorist group” to exist as the enemy.
yeah, unfortunately expecting them to understand what fascism means in any sort of complex way is giving them too much credit
THANK YOU! This helped me understand so much! I am just trying to wrap my head around what’s going on currently and what happened in history and how it’s melting together, so honestly thank you!
I appreciate you not attacking me and being my religion into it and just explaining it to me in reality and to the point. So seriously, thank you!
Yeah I lurk around r/conservative and hubs still lurks on the remains of Twitter just because we both a) can’t look away and b) think it’s important to understand what’s going on over there.
I usually see stuff said like “they’re not actually antifascists that’s just a misdirection to cover their real fascist ideologies.” Which is a genuine strategy in political propaganda. People use all kinds of labels to cover up all kinds of awful shit.
Really the only way around that is to focus less on labels overall and focus more on individuals and either thoughts on or even more importantly actual specific real world actions. I don’t know what political label people would put me under.
A lot of my local politicians last year were listed independent. I picked the one that wanted to expand the bus lines. I think a fetus is a human being but that it doesn’t have a right to use a woman’s body without her continuous consent. I think the rich have broken a bunch of the social contracts they made to avoid bloodshed and that something bloody is inevitable more than it even is desirable. I’m thinking that next time there’s political unrest in my area I should just sit on an out of the way street corner with a sign that says “RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.”
Dunno what any of that makes me but I’d like to find more of us if possible. Sometimes labels help that, sometimes they don’t. Wish I had a better or cleaner answer fire you.
No honestly, this is the best comment I’ve heard all night you came and told me exactly what I needed to hear without provocation and without hate but more or less just giving me the answers that it was actually asking in my question, so thank you! It was not religion. I know I asked it, but it wasn’t an attack to me and mine just asking if that’s why they believe, so thank you honestly, just THANK YOU!
The GOP also has issues with DEI, which stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
Their followers are either not smart enough to realize, and will parrot what they hear, and thereby spread more hate, or they’re willingly malevolent.