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    There’s no nazi propagand in what he said. You could argue he’s wrong, but this headline is a clickbait for stupids

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      The claim that the Nazis were actually socialists is an early Nazi lie - it’s in the name of the party after all - to gain votes. They never changed that name, so they perpetrated that lie and never officially retracted it. They were fascist, not socialist. It’s not impossible to be both, I grant you, but one does not imply the other.

      Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.

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        People always complain that socialism is a slippery slope into fascism yet are somehow blind that capitalism is doing the same thing.

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          People always complain that socialism is a slippery slope into fascism

          Literally noone does. It’s a slippery slope to totalitarianism, but that’s not the same as fascizm

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        They were fascist, not socialist. It’s not impossible to be both

        I mean… socialism as an economic system isn’t strictly incompatible with ethnic nationalism, so long as you’re willing to buy into the eugenic arguments of who constitutes “real people”. Once you consign a certain share of the population to the category of “property” and “pests”, you can slap the framework for a socialist system on top of the nightmarish politics of mass murder.

        One could argue that Germany’s rapid resurgence in the wake of the Great Depression came about precisely because the reactionary movement wasn’t hopelessly wedded to the libertarian laisse-faire economics. The boom that Germany enjoyed in the 1930s was absolutely the result of a radically left wing approach to centralized state-run planning. But the purpose of that surge in productivity was to invade, loot, and plunder German’s immediate neighbors in a quest of European and North African re-colonization.

        Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.

        What separates modern Trumpism from European fascism is this hopeless adherence to market theories of economic advancement. You can see it plainly in the government shutdown fight. Trump wants to fire millions of federal workers, under the dogged assumption that his erstwhile friends in the Tech Sector can replace them all with a fancy computer.

        He’s all in on the Superiority Color Wheel, but fully divested of respect for engineering, logistics, and agricultural best-practices. Say what you will about Rommel, but the man knew how to budget out a tank of gas. Trumpism is about flooding the markets with paper currency and hoping his C-level buddies in banking and tech can figure out how to do economic management better than he can.

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          Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.

          There’s a massive logical fallacy here. The fact that someone doesn’t like socialism, doesn’t make them nazi.

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            Sure. They could just be deluged in the neoliberal free market propaganda of the current media cycle.

            But they’re also a crop of individuals ripe for fascist ideology. The Randian Objectivists of the 1980s were slowly and inexorably converted into the Bush Era Christian Nationalists of the War on Terror Era. The Tea Party Libertarians of the 2000s were ultimately indoctrinated into the QAnon/MAGA movement of the 2020s. Once you buy into this idea of certain classes of people being economic parasites who deserve to be disciplined or exterminated by the Invisible Hand, you’re primed to accept that you can spot these people based on their race or religion or ideological affiliation.

            Nazism is downstream of capitalism. Henry Ford was handing out copies of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” in all his dealerships for a reason.

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      ‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’

      ‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

      ‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

      ‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

      ‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’

      ‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’

      ‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed.

      ‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’

      ‘Where will you find the room to work?’

      ‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'”