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I love how we’re all fucked because boomers will never die. Honestly, Gen X has a lot more folks that let us down. It doesn’t matter the generation really. I know a pregnant gen Z, and all I can think about is how her kid, according to the popular generational theory, is going to be the next cycle of boomer. That’s probably why many young gen Zs are a bunch of little assholes. But then she was a screw up, and my gen, the millineals as everyone knows works harder and is still called lazy and had our own screw ups. Generations are what they are but having no chance at happiness due to the rich controlling every goddamn asset is a new kind of fucked we all have to endure.
We actually live in a world now in which the President of the United States explicitly states his intent to overtly violate the first amendment and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.
Well the media is owned by them so…
and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.
Mainstream media at least. Thankfully, Arstechnica and The Verge have been shouting from the rooftops at how unconstitutional and fascist the trump regime is being.
I also heard Vogue magazine is actually not afraid to criticize as well
Teen Vogue is killing it right now. For example How ICE Raids Are Making It Easier for Civilian Men to Assault Immigrant Women
I think we actually get to understand now how Hitler came to power. I remember in school, I was mystified how such an hateful man could become a leader of a country. Now I understand.
History will most likely repeat itself and humanity needs a big war to once again remember what hate leads to.
It just sucks for the ones who already learned that lesson from basic history.
Watching it unfold before me and still I’m baffled. This all still doesn’t make any sense.
Exactly. I see that it can happen, I am seeing it happen first hand. I still don’t understand why it’s happening.
Every 80 years, some country has to repeat this shit. Sucks it’s on our watch. But best to make the most of it. #NaziPunksFuckOff
Best advice: Chop wood and carry water, or in other words, prepare for hard times and be careful of which side you are on.
Your first amendment only applies to congress and legislative bodies at state and municipal levels. Private citizens and corporations technically can do whatever they want.
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the media just repeats it
The media reports on it, attempting to do so from a neutral point of view.
I actually appreciate that the professional media is still attempting to stick to a neutral point of view. If they abandon that, you get media like MSNBC and Fox News where every single news story is discussed from a certain political point of view. That just sorts people into camps that listen to the news source that agrees with their perceived notions, which then radicalizes them even more.
If people can’t agree on a basic set of facts, then there’s no point to having a democracy. A media that covers the facts with as little bias as possible is essential to that working.
That isn’t to say that I think the media is doing a great job. The big media companies that are owned by the oligarchs are doing especially badly. When Trump does something like this, responsible media that’s attempting to be unbiased should at least connect historical dots, like other times that presidents have threatened the media, and what the results of that have been.
Because the public, apart from maybe one kid in Utah, is just sitting there allowing it.
So like X.
I’m glad I never installed that shitty app
Mobile web or bust.
And man have some websites gone bust…
I used to be like you I used to think it was just full of young kids doing silly dances, turns out a lot of information doesn’t really need more than two or three minutes to explain it and everything else is fluff so yeah, it’s a great place. I don’t know where this hate comes from.
For me its general dislike for influencers and platforms where people are encouraged to put a face behind content, go viral, and make money off of due to tending to attract content from people coming off like aspiring infomercial hosts. Like labubu I didn’t even know about until South Park, so it was like kind of awe inspiring what a huge hive mind of mass reach it can be for those part of it.
But then again I don’t like twitch and most big YouTube content creators either for a similar reason, so I might be just an anomaly when it comes to social media. I don’t like Twitter and Instagram either.
I’ve preferred social media where people interact for the sake of interacting, since the foundation for potential monetary pay off or fame is really poor for that. So more message board type stuff like lemmy, reddit, and old school forums. Things where there’s less of a chance of someone going in to try to turn it into a side hustle.
You can easily avoid big influencers on the app. It’s a lot of small people sharing bits and pieces of their individual lives for entertainment And Education It’s so great.
It is too social for me. I’m not interested in a platform that tends to push people to put a face or name behind an account. I prefer it to just be like the conversation we are having now where you are just another random user name.
And I perceive more positives to not using social media like tiktok, twitter, threads, or Instagram with huge corporate backing and invasive apps than using it. And times those social media even comes up as a useful search result has been pretty much zero. So that’s just a big pass on tiktok for me. Even more so with the leadership change.
Well, we do live in a social world, and regardless of what people will tell you, the Internet is not fake, it’s very real, but I’m not going to try to convince you to check it out, just let you know that you are missing some quality information content, and maybe new favorite people that you wouldn’t otherwise be exposed to.
I’m no interested in tiktok. I don’t need tiktok for a social connection. I wasn’t here for a recruitment to tiktok, but just answering your initial question of providing a viewpoint to those that dislike it. I respect your right to use tiktok or any other alternatives. It just happens to be not for me.
Short form video is the single best propaganda machine there is. You don’t get context, so it’s easy to manipulate events. Also, for some reason, people really fall for the “authority” of some rando talking into a camera like they know what the hell they’re talking about.
Every time somebody shows me a TikTok video as a reference or to make a point, the information is either fake or completely incorrect.
Not to mention, The algorithm feeds you more of these talking heads and makes you think it’s the general consensus
These are all good points, but I fact check and I don’t fall for stupid easily shareable meme bullshit, everybody’s algorithm is their own so yeah echo chambers are easy to get into but it’s mostly just slice of life type content. That’s the really good stuff
The open corruption, clear as day illegal and unconstitutional moves, and his overall smugness is embarrassing.
The GOP has gone insane to allow this man to continue like this. They are all sick with power and are hoping to “get theirs” next from daddy trump.
They are ALL traitors and should be charged for allowing the crimes to continue.
“Jesus this”
You voted for Trump
“Free market that”
You voted for Trump
But they don’t have the fucking power. They’re letting Trump do whatever he wants, and eroding their own authority in the process.
“I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit. I just want the money. And the illusion of power. And puss.”
Sure, it’ll just kill the app in the US because fascists lack any creativity so it’ll become a stale echo chamber before people just leave
I’m ok with that.
Look out everyone, edgy guy detected
Awww baby is upsetty.
Bro. You’re just a weird weird little Imp here, Are you hoping to trigger people, is that all that gets you off these days? Is that the only way you can cum.
I’m not even the first guy. Tik Tok is a mess and if it dies that’s probably not the worst thing. Ot sure what your deal is.
Nice way to edit your comment jackass
I didn’t edit anything, bud.
Edit: Here, I’ll even edit this one incase your platform shows that information but you’ve just never seen it before.
A tomato probably has too much edge for you…
you really are a reddit refugee huh
Oh sure, but it’s the lefties who are in their echo chambers.
Here’s how this works:
- Network is created that doesn’t discriminate on speech.
- The left wins debates and it becomes increasingly liberal over time.
- Far right billionaires buy it to stop those process.
It’s Chinese spyware bro
That’s why decentralized platforms have to be the answer. They might not be impossible to co-opt, but they’re certainly more difficult.
I’ve been warning people about this stuff for years, and they wouldn’t listen. I’m not happy about being right. It sucks!
Had to leave Twitter when it became a Nazi site, I can leave TikTok to I guess.
I never used either. Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.
But then I also gave up broadcast TV before even Netflix was popular. Just spent a small fortune on bargain bin DVDs instead.
me nervously doom-scrolling on lemmy via voyager 👀
It’s mainly the kids and low information adults who are on Tiktok, that’s why it’s popular.
I’ve been averse to trends like this, but I did get on Facebook and Insta this summer at the urging of some friends (I run a nonprofit so it’s useful to network). By last week I had both apps on my phone and was just numbscrolling through Insta videos. Realized my mental health had gone to absolute shit in weeks. Deleted the apps andI’m feeling myself again.
It really is dangerous what they’ve created, if I didn’t have ambition, I would be right there zombified.
Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.
It was less a “cultural thing” and more a functional drift. From the RSS feed to Web2.0 timelines to feed by preference to The Algorithm of ad-promoted content.
Like with email, it wasn’t always just a fountain of spam. Our systems have been deliberately and predatorially enshittified.
There’s a great deal of real news that goes through the app. It’s the majority of the content I see.
Is there though?
I know this sounds sarcastic, but I’m genuinely curious as I have never used TikTok at all. It there any way to verify the stuff that’s being shown? Do news accounts link to articles or any supporting information?
All I’ve ever really seen from people sharing stuff has been new typical meme stuff and AI generated crap that people keep sending me thinking it’s real.
How can you tell if what you’re seeing is real?
The good “creators” to follow for news generally provide a summary in Tiktok, then if you want to verify or learn more they have additional information and sources in their other locations (substack is a big one)
I can generally tell if it’s AI generated, and if I have any suspicion then I try to find other reports and real sources via Google searches and whatnot. Like I didn’t believe the gold trump statue, or the trump and Epstein statue were real.
Good to know there’s some context available if you want it. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
You know, given how exploitative and harmful TikTok has been from the start, it might have been better never to use it at all.
I’m guilty of being on TikTok too, mainly used to keep up with a few artists I listen to, but at the end of the day, the platform is just another exploitative data-harvesting machine.
I uhhh never used it to begin with so I’m good boss
nice 😆 💟
I sometimes feel like the only mf around who doesn’t and never used tiktok. From the very start it just gave off bad vibes, and then all the news started coming out about it rotting your attention span away, data collection and russian manipulation winning hearts of young people, which pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Ironically reddit feels like a much safer platform than tiktok.
So, Trump effectively nationalized TikTok, valued at $300b. He sells it to friendly oligarchs for $15b. So far, this is basically the post-USSR playbook, and how Roman Abravmovich, Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Lisin, etc. got so rich.
But it might piss off his oligarch buddies if he drives all the users off TikTok making what seemed like a steal into something worthless instead.
I think that just like Elon with Twitter, the value is not in revenue but controlling the narrative.
That only works if people use it.
For some reason, people have stuck with Twitter. But, the users of TikTok are not the same as the users of Twitter, so who knows, maybe they won’t stick with it.
This will be truth social again with a pre-existing user base and better algorithms. People will drop off, but they will probably boil the frog slowly to keep people around.
In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it’s normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.
And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn’t compete, which didn’t kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn’t quite recover.
About driving users off - that doesn’t really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers’ experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it’s more of VK’s experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.
Gen Z is so dumb that they’re all going to be Nazis is 6 months.
Most of Gen Z are in their twenties and capable of thinking for themselves. Generally speaking, they’ve grown up accustomed to and accepting of neurodivergence, gender fluidity, and the spectrum of sexualities.
It’s the younger and older generations I’m more worried about.
They’re also MUCH more susceptible to misinformation and propaganda than the “in-between” generations. They aren’t as affected by traditional media, sure, but their new media sources are heavily propagandized, with visibility manipulated by the worst people in the world. They might HEAR about the dangers of misinformation or propaganda in the periphery, but with their primary interface being a handful of apps on a mobile device, there’s not much they can do about it without extensive education they aren’t getting.
Got any evidence of that? Or are you just flattering yourself
You see that you’re doing the generations thing right? Like you are doing the “lazy millennials” thing but just at a different generation. You’re falling for their propaganda.
Let’s see how many of Gen Z Americans get off TikTok after it becomes more of a propaganda machine. I wonder how European kids feel about it. They went through Covid and missed part of an already terrible education. So now they have no idea that they are just being programmed to be a bunch of assholes. I think it will work. If we don’t find a plan to do something, we are in bad shape. We need Project 2029.
Only 54% of Gen Z voted for Harris and Gen Z males have a pretty big far-right problem. It’s not random nonsense about eating dirt or being on their phones, they’re actually being pretty fucking awful at way too high a rate for people that young.
How is that any different from older generations
Because the person I replied was trying to say that the person they replied to was falling for propaganda and compared it to call millenials lazy. We know for a fact that millenials generally work harder, and for less, than the older generations that were/are doing the complaining. In this case, we the older generation is complaining about Gen Z not being nearly as progressive as one would expect, even to the point where we can say they actually have a problem with conservatism, and the statistics back that up as fact.
TL;DR: “millenials are lazy” is made up to try to pay us less despite the statistics showing it to be a huge lie and “GenZ has way too many conservatives” is an observable fact complete with actual numbers.
You actually going to present any evidence for those claims?
There’s a lot in this article that goes through it. The split is way too close for a generation that you hope would be fairly solidly progressive. The women are doing well, the men are really struggling to hold up their end, especially the white men.
I think I will read this article. I am interested in what society can do to help these young men.
How does even decide when the various generation start and stop it seems so random.
Generally each generation is like 20ish years, with some variation in exactly what years, but that doesn’t really make sense anymore since culture changes so fast these days.
I scoff at your statement, O’ Lizard!
I wonder if gen Z has media literacy. I am expecting approximately 0% to discontinue TicTok as result of the acquisition.
Edit: Sorry for being lizardy.
No worries. We’ve all got that Lizard Brain deep down inside. Gen Z appears to have some literacy, thank goodness for that. More than I was aware of from direct interaction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Generation_Z Mostly I’ve noticed a subtle sarcasm, which If I try to emulate it just comes out sounding mean. So I don’t do that anymore.
After repetitive exposure to this propaganda (repetition priming), the people were beginning to believe and stand up for what each respective government had been flashing before their eyes, without them even knowing it.
https://sites.psu.edu/psych256sp18003/2018/03/04/h/
The fact of being exposed to propaganda and misinformation, repeatedly and continuously, has a psychological affect over time.
The individual must not be allowed to recover, to collect himself, to remain untouched by propaganda during any relatively long period, for propaganda is not the touch of the magic wand. It is based on slow, constant impregnation. It creates convictions and compliance through imperceptible influences that are effective only by continuous repetition. It must create a complete environment for the individual, one from which he never emerges.
Propaganda, Jacques Ellul
They certainly don’t let us go a single day any longer without horrific news.
From my experience they do not. I shit you not their only source of news is tick tock. It’s somehow worse than the people who only get their news from Facebook. I have a brother who pretends to understand media literacy and constantly goes on about ground news but they never actually open it and read anything from it as far as I can tell because the only stories I get sent are directly from tick tock.
Psst… O, not O’ - it’s the vocative particle, not a contraction of of or on.
Nnnnnneeeeeerrrrrrrddddddd!
lol
As an older Gen Z, this generation is very split. The Gen Z in their twenties are extremely progressive and left-leaning, whereas younger Gen Z are deep in the alt-right pipeline. Obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone, but Gen Z really is two generations smooshed into one.
It’s the incel/red-/black-pill bullshit. I am an older millennial, turned 41 yesterday, in fact, and I have noticed the split in the gen-Z generation. At some point a lot stopped trying to grow as a person and started blaming women and minorities for why they were single and unfavorable to their preferred mates/society. Accountability and integrity just sort of stopped mattering to them when it became easier and more socially acceptable to be a shitty person and still gain fans/clout/etc.
Then comes along all these ‘bros’ who sell them this idea that their problem is just not being a big enough dick and being rich, loud, and large, Eden if you have to fake it until you make it. They promote the debunked study of alpha males and champion the grind, self-made mentality while pinning the blame for their future failures on outside factors like immigration and higher ed.
I had high hopes that we could unfuck the world together, with the leadership of gen-Z, but I didn’t think republican enough about how far the backslide would be. Now, I just expect to see the world crumble as the younger gen are lambs to the slaughter for the wars, sports, and land grabs of the ultra-rich.
Its the billionaires against the working class, not generations fighting generations.
Looks around everything is still fucked on earth and climate change is gonna kill us all, did it even fucking matter we didn’t become Nazis -mostly S . Seriously I want to leave.
Well, this is one way to kill tiktok
It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet
It is on the decline though, preserved more by switching costs than by user preferences. It’d be interesting to see if Trump can cause an even faster rate of decline than Elon has.
In other words, trump says “Stop looking for the Epstein files!”.
I never used it because of the Chinese government affiliation. I’d feel even less inclined to use it with maga affiliation.
It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?
There are multiple reasons for me. First and foremost is the data collection that they’ve been accused of; I know American companies do the same thing, but there’s something more nefarious about a state run data collection scheme than a public company collecting data to sell you ads, which I’m also trying to avoid as much as possible. Next, I don’t support their labor practices - using child, slave (Uyghurs) and cheaper labor is a big deterrent. I realize that some level of that is unavoidable with the way our society is based, but I don’t really need another social media outlet in my life anyway, so it’s a really easy cut for me.
Oh yeah, also because a state run social media app is something that I feel is an easy way for that state to push propaganda.
Next, I don’t support their labor practices
Lol. But American labour practices are just fine with you then?
Also, fun fact, even after years of accusations, nobody has been able to find actual credible evidence of “Uyghur slaves”. Meanwhile, penal slavery is just an acceptable norm in the US
You’ve done nothing to instill any confidence in me about Chinese state sponsored social media apps and only supported my original point that I trust a US state sponsored social media app LESS than one from china at this point.
Trump creams in his pants thinking about having the control the Chinese government has.
Yeah, but it isn’t under American control, which is the most important part, or at least it was. Anyways, I’m not going to keep badgering you to try to convince you to get on it, but I would also admonish you for not at least giving it 30 minutes of your time when you were bored just to screw around with it before you wrote it off completely
