Honestly the death penalty is cruel. The government should not be executing people.
If I were on the Jury hes innocent. My grandma died from a bad premium.
I doubt the defense would go that route but I’m really curious how it would turn out. Like you’re allowed to use deadly force to save a life, and it could be reasonably argued that hundreds, maybe thousands of lives were saved in the aftermath of the shooting.
Realistically there’s no way that can be allowed to be a legal precident, but it would be funny to try.
Jury nullification doesn’t require a reason and isn’t usually cited as precedent.
I meant specifically a not guilty verdict on the grounds of defense. That would be wild. Obviously nullification or some technicality of law is going to be the best bet.
Mostly he’ll avoid the death penalty because he didn’t do it. Trump’s comments just make it a bit easier.
Everyone say it with me, “Luigi Mangione is an innocent man being framed by the government because they were unable to find the real culprit.”
#free Luigi
I’m really not convinced that’s the case. Either way I want him to walk free. Killing the CEO was the morally right thing to do. That CEO has been part of the system that has murdered thousands/millions out of pure greed.
I agree with you in theory, but I think we should all pretend he’s actually innocent
Don’t know how much pretending needs to be done, burden of proof is on the state and their evidence gathering was laughable, also not a single McDonald’s employee in the history of the universe has intentionally called the pigs, they all have drugs in their jackets and they’ll just come over the counter and fight you. Some mysterious do gooder called in a guy sitting quietly that led directly to the “shooter” and fully intact weapon ready to scoop up? Fuck outta here with that
Then again, we’re just playing Calvinball with the law now so who knows.
I would vote not guilty no matter what if I was on his jury. Billionaires and major corporate CEOs need to live in fear for how they treat people. They kill tons of people with their callousness and greed.
It’s literally self defense at this point.
Stick me on that same jury. Not guilty x2.
I bet they will “randomly” find a jury that doesn’t think like us…
one word: jury nullification.
I don’t think even that is necessary. The prosecution has been so flimsy that a simple acquittal will do.
This really seems like a scenario where that’s the ideal result. Even assuming he were guilty and the prosecution were able to prove it, he should not be convicted based on the extenuating circumstances of exploitative healthcare costing needless harm and death to millions
Two words
it’s actually 3 words.
I count four
Lights?
nah, “one” isn’t a word, it’s a number.
Just knowing about this can disqualify you from being on a jury. And lying about knowing about it can get you a jail sentence.
Possession of weed can also get you a jail sentence. What’s your point?
The point is that you should probably stop smoking weed cause your brain has become mashed potatoes. If you are disqualified from the jury you can’t help anything and if you get arrested for lying they will change the entire jury, considering it completely compromised.
The real point is, stop talking about it. Choose instead to talk about how innocent you think the man is so that you don’t risk tainting potential jurors who might be sympathetic to your point of view.
I’m not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
you should probably stop smoking weed cause your brain has become mashed potatoes.
That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. You really bought into that fried egg propaganda commercial, didn’t you?
No, I was also just making a joke because what you commented was idiotic.
However, I’ve smoked weed and lived around people who smoke weed. So I’m quite familiar with the effects and you should probably cut down.
I have only has second hand contact to weed. There’s nothing for me to cut down on.
or summary judgement.
Aren’t those only for civil trials?
Given the general discontent with healthcare it feels inevitable. People identify with Mangione’s plight in a way they don’t with the money grubbing CEO.
Of course that’s possible, but I don’t think a judge or an appeals court is likely to determine that the first violation of the judge’s order takes the death penalty off the table. Judges almost always bend over backwards to protect the state. If they keep talking now, that might result in some kind of mild sanctions that somehow affect reality in some slight way, possibly.
Really if the state is messing with the jury it should be an automatic mistrial. The reason is so the government learns their lesson and shuts the fuck up and stops trying to influence the jurors. If the judge doesn’t do this then of course trump will keep sticking his dick in every legal process that doesn’t go his way.
This plus the mishandling of evidence has derailed cases before. The one that comes to mind is Weather Underground. There isn’t much doubt that they blew up some monuments and were planning some more. None of them were ever prosecuted because the FBI fucked up.
I was royally confused because I thought you were talking about the website. TIL. Thanks.
Luigi shouldn’t be in jail at all. He was just looking out for several million of his friends.
As completely innocent people are wont to do
Not to mention that he clearly isn’t the shooter.
That was someone with very different eyebrows. The only thing we know about his appearance.
I know Italians grow hair fast, but not that fast.
It couldn’t have been him, Luigi and I were fishing that day all day long. We both wept when we heard the news.
My mother was one of the ones without proper health care and the CEO death triggered a change that put her back on health care… Now I have to deal with her longer because she won’t die. A sad day truly, Luigi said so too
Random, but at this point why not claim he was trying to kill leftists, at which point Trump would forgive him?
That CEO guy was antifa
The CEO said mean things about Charlie Kirk.
And he was also about to publish some files by a guy called Jeffrey.
He is innocent, obviously a patsy when they could not find the real culprit.
The pictures from the crime scene do not match, if the eyebrows do not fit you cannot convict.
I think he’s guilty and they only caught him through illegal means, and they realized they can’t reconstruct legal evidence so they have to smear him.
My thoughts as well.
I heard someone told the cashier where they caught him “hey that’s the CEO assassin guy, you should call it in and get the reward!”
Reeks of illegal surveillance.
It’s called “parallel construction”.
The police obtained some evidence illegally and inadmissably, so they pretend they got it somewhere else.
I’ve worked in fast food. There is zero chance someone at that McDonald’s called in a tip like they said.
There was also that confession letter…
And it doesn’t make sense to dump a backpack but not the gun.
Obviously it was some Puerto Rican guy.
Hmm, not so sure about the innocence, imho. Also the photos I saw look very much like him. But I am a layman and open for arguments.
I am however curious about the eyebrows-argument. Is there maybe a video or blog, where someone with a background of crime investigation analyzes the provided screen caps and other evidence?
Edit: imagine downvoting an opinion you don’t like, instead of actually answering the question and helping understand the situation. This is not even a debate lmao
The photos from the crime scene do not match his photos, the youth hostel is another story that looks like him, the photo of the guy with the surgical mask on the street where it happened, not the same guy. You can shave off unibrows, you cannot grow one in a week. Plus other facial features do not match.
Who ever said anything about a debate?
Here is my argument. He only looks similar. They “found” a gun when searching the backpack way later out of eyewitnesses. Why would he have a manifest and such with him in an entirely different state after leaving a crime scene. But I’m also just a layman and could be wrong.
Or he’s the guy, but they had no (legal) way to tie him to it and therefore planted the evidence.
Has he made any sort of public statement about it?
Well, humans can act weird, especially under heavy stress. You usually don’t just kill someone for the very first time and shrug it off. However, I do actually not know when and where they found the evidence. If the manifest was handwritten, then it is quite easy to find out if he wrote it.
The usual stress action in these sort of cases is to dump evidence immediately. In fact, the actual hero kind of did that by leaving a backpack in the nearby park.
Guys I think we
findfound the real killer! Everyone be on the lookout for zr0 getting his eyebrows waxed or altered to mask his true appearance!I did not come up with the argument and I have actually no clue how important eyebrows are in a criminal case
I think he was innocent because it was clearly self defense.
Yeah I think we all are on the same page about what monster the CEO was
There is reasonable doubt based on what has been provided to the public. But I am sure there is a lot more evidence to be shown at trial.
You say reasonable doubt. Who is saying this?
Me. No one of importance is, because the trial hasn’t started yet.
Death penalty for a murder of a single persons seems harsh. I’m anti death penalty 100% of the time, though.
ah I see you’re still using “person” as a measurement unit instead of the more modern “net worth”
Am I the only one to find the phrase “net worth” disgusting? It should be “net wealth” or something.
No, there are at least 2 of us. Even the concept that it’s somehow a useful measure to anyone else than your local tax authorities (except maybe for people running for public office) sounds a bit iffy to me.
So you are right that giving it a name that ties it to your “worth” as a person is terrible.
Is it net worth, or how much money this guy gave Trump behind the scenes?
They want the death penalty in case other Americans get ideas. They want to make an example out of him.
It’s a thin line between making an example or making a martyr of him, so the case will likely perpetually linger in limbo.
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Even people who are okay with the death penalty in a moral sense should be against it for logical reasons. Once you factor in the cost of the appeals system, the cost of the drugs themselves, the cost of paying out people or families when the drugs dont work as theyre supposed to, and the cost of keeping people in prison on death row, it is infinitely more expensive than just putting someone in prison for life.
As a society, not to mention as taxpayers, we pay a huge premium to let the state exact barbaric revenge on people
I oppose the death penalty. No one has the right to take a single life, let alone the 40,000 people that Brian Robert Thompson murdered in cold blood.
I’m okay with the death penalty in cases like treason or insurrection.
When it’s clear that they committed the crimes.
In broad daylight.
For everyone to see.
On live television.
With absolutely no doubt that they are guilty.
You want this administration being the arbiter of what is treason?
Some governments deserve to be treasoned or insurrected.
Almost all
good news, donald trump just banned anti fascism. one step closer to your glorious dream.
i want to say i’m a civilized, evolved person. then some people i wish would get the ol’ Robert-François Damiens. people have inconsistencies, like good corn muffin batter. fuck i should bake some muffins.
I used to be ok with it in certain circumstances, until I found out how many innocent people get convicted and how many people put to death were exonerated later. I’m against the entire prison system now though. It’s modern slavery and the state shouldn’t be trusted with that kind of power.
I can support the idea of a death penalty when someone kills multiple people and there’s good evidence.
However I can never support the implementation of the death penalty as I believe the state should never have the right tl execute its own citizens. And I believe it cannot be trusted with that authority
This particular murder is a challenge to the rule of law as a basic principle in a way that, for example, multiple murders by a serial killer are not. The serial killer does more direct harm, but IMO this murder requires more forceful repudiation by society.
The tag I gave you months ago checks out.
Nice, now I kind of wish you could see what other people have tagged users as. Except for the rampant abuse that would proliferate from that capability.
Haha, yeah I know what you mean.
…huh. I read that as giving the viewpoint of this administration, not as presenting a more fundamental (to them) truth.
I suspect you’ve got the more accurate read; thanks for posting this!
That’s awesome how do I do this. I keep seeing these enablers or bots with increasing frequency
Do you use web or a mobile app? Voyager, thunder, and boost have this as a feature, and apparently there’s a Firefox extension that can do it also
The desire to engage in meaningful discussions that would never go anywhere wasting my time have been avoided. Thank you.
LOL I am on web and after reading the above comment I thought “I wish was using Voyager so I could tag that user”
It’s a handy feature. Boost has it too!
There’s an extension for Firefox that I use
What do we do about the murder of thousands by using AI to refuse medical care, and instead funnel the profits to shareholder portfolios?
And what exactly makes this one worse than others?
The victim being rich and powerful, unlike most murder victims?
The victim belonging to a group of people very lucrative to the powers that be?
The fact that your favorite authoritarian politicians and talking heads said so on tv?
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer. There have already been two more murders inspired at least partially by the murder of Brian Thompson (at least to the extent that the killers also wrote messages on the shell casings). If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
The problem with this line of thinking is that people like Brian Thompson are excused entirely. How much pain, suffering, and unnecessary death did Brian Thompson enable with his policies? And what recourse did his victims have?
Fix that problem, and attacks like this don’t happen in the first place.
Bro, we have a 2 tier justice system. This just makes it a little more just.
No significant social change has been acquired without violence, like it or not.
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer
I’d personally argue that the motive is a huge mitigating factor in this case. Especially when you consider the hell that the insurance industry leeches put him and his family through.
IF it’s even him, that is.
If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
I’m of the opinion that law doesn’t automatically equal justice and that justice is MUCH more important than law.
Which is why I consider illegal but justifiable actions against legally entrenched injustice much less egregious than that which is unjust but perfectly legal.
This particular murder is a challenge more to the system of control than to the rule of law. It’s not society but the oligarchy who believe it requires a more forceful repudiation. Otherwise power might start to shift out of their hands and back to the people.
Why I think we should give this man a trophy and a lifetime supply of chocolate. Anybody that kills the Nazi should be given the same treatment that our world war II soldiers were given. Fucking ticker tape parade for this motherfucker.
This feels like something you’d enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyR8XgrwE4w
Username checks out.
Arbitrary benchmarks.
Maybe if the rule of law was doing it’s fucking job and punishing these insurance bastards like they deserve randos wouldn’t have to gun them down in the street. Society should be grateful SOMEONE did something about it.
From what I’ve been hearing, society IS grateful.
Just not the billionaires, and the media they control is how they voice it.
I guess it makes sense. A principled murder needs harsher punishment than even a serial killer… That’s the theory anyway.
He should be released and compensated for the time he spent behind bars. He is innocent.
Mansions saved thousands of lives and more for future generations. Those poor people being denied health…
Mansions saved thousands of lives and more for future generations
Nah this thread isn’t about the housing crisis
How, is united healtcare bankrupt? Did they change and approve everyone? AFAIK they are just as scummy with a different CEO.
We need a new US monument/shrine where we can pilgrimage to and make an offering to the god of incompetence (which one is that again?) for smiling kindly upon us. It feels wrong to be relying so solely on the power of one god here without offering up any kind of gift in thanks.
like this one?
Is it just me, or do all the new news pics of Luigi look less… Pro-Luigi?
