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I think I’ve made it abundantly clear that I was using the reductio ad absurdum as an argumentative technique throughout this discussion.

Fair enough, I’m willing to give you that people that transition just to gain an edge in sports wouldn’t necessarily be considered “trans”. At the end of the day my core argument was that it wouldn’t be fair to let trans women who potentially possess an edge physically to participate in sports where that physical edge is salient because it could be taken to this absurd end.

C’est fini

P1 - Transgender women who possess an unfair advantage should be allowed to compete on equal grounds with women AFAB

P2 - Anyone can transition

Consequentially - Everyone can transition in order to gain an unfair advantage

I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand here. Reductio ad absurdum doesn’t care about the practicality of the absurd outcome.

Do you think a cis man would actually choose to live like this for a possibly minor advantage in women’s sports?

Google reductio ad absurdum.

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Furthermore, just because people’s intentions for transitioning now aren’t chiefly to obtain an advantage in a ball game doesn’t mean that they DON’T actually possess an advantage…

I’m all for letting trans women participate in male sports if it they’ve been in the transition period long enough that their physical capabilities don’t give them an unfair edge. I also think you’ve done me a huge disservice by claiming that I’m “trivialising” gender dysphoria when all I’ve done is use a valid argumentative technique. I only brought in the reductio ad absurdum to show that anybody can claim to be “born” that way regardless of whether or not transitioning is practical.

Whether we should segregate sports by sex instead of other considerations is a separate conversation that other people in this thread want to have, but that’s besides the point I’m trying to make.

Your original claim was that trans people are “born” that way and i disagreed. Citing that we classify these things based on sex and not gender. It’s not another discussion entirely because it’s my rebuttal to your claim.

There’s no need to make this about ad hominems or bring your emotions into this. I’ve never once claimed in this thread that trans folks should lose rights or be barred from participation in society.

Taller players can have a much bigger advantage against shorter players in a ton of sports

Can you give some examples of these sports?

Right! No one is doing so now, but there’s nothing stopping people from doing so if it becomes so normalized. It’s a reductio ad absurdum of your argument. You’re acting like this is the first time legislation can be passed in favour of a group of people such that it can’t be abused by others strictly for personal gain.

Furthermore, just because people’s intentions for transitioning now aren’t chiefly to obtain an advantage in a ball game doesn’t mean that they DON’T actually possess an advantage…

Also you need to provide a justification for why my initial distinction is “irrelevant”. The classifications into men’s and women’s sports are based on sex and not gender.

How so? The classifications are based on sex and not gender

The difference is HRT could be considered as gaming the system whilst being born that way is luck of the draw.

Michael Phelps has gentics made for swimming that allow him to perform multiple strokes to perfection. He’s considered a lucky man. If there was a pill one could take to attain such superhuman abilities. It would be considered doping, and rightfully so.

Not enough trans anthletes to warrant their own league. Who would even watch it?

Everything that comes put of Kamala’s mouth concerns culture war crap. I’m convinced she’s just a MAGA sock puppet, because not only does she have no chance of winning over republican voters, but also now alienated democrat voters with this crap. Unbelievable!