I quoted Jesus; arrogance is at the root of all the hate and evil in then world.

Wow thanks that’s very nice of you. What’s your group all about?

What’s said about knowing and not knowing is what I wish people would get. All these social ideological sects that are appearing in society is because people think THEY are the only correct ones. Political and theological groups can be some of the most egregious in this manner.

Omg I could not agree more! That’s what Socrates took his life trying to teach, and die a martyr to.

People talk more than think. And usually think what others have talked to them about.

Beautifully said! I think people like Jesus would’ve agreed, considering the extent he would call out the dogma of his day; promising to believe something as unquestionably true would be an example of an oath: “Do not take an oath at all.” - Matt 5:34

Any knowing is a knowledge. Our knowledge of time for example or even of the experience.

Just because blind men have attached their words and beliefs unto Jesus’ via the New Testament ever since, distorting the crap out of it 45 thousand different ways, that doesn’t make it what Jesus was really trying to say. “Do not take an oath at all.” - Matt 5:34; of course making the promise to believe things as unquestionably true cna be catorgorized as an oath.

I could not agree more. Have you considered his teaching in its purest form via the precepts of the Sermon On the Mount - Matt 5-7, but interpreted more objectively? Including and especially the one about oaths (promising to believe things as unquestionably true would be an example of taking an oath in my opinion); “do not take an oath at all.” - Matt 5:34.

I also noticed that what he meant by we humans being the salt of the earth and light of the world (Matt 5:13), he was pointing towards our unique and profound abilities for selflessness and knowledge in contrast to nature. Selflessness is the salt: Without humans on an earth (a conscious capable being on a planet), there’s nothing to be as selfless as we’re capable of being; the extent we can push past our instincts in favor of where knowledge takes us. And knowledge is the light: Without humans, there wouldn’t be anything to give life to any knowledge (including of a God) to the degrees we can in contrast to nature, and be able to retain and transfer it (keep it living so to speak; “the living God” - Matt 16:16 ); not to mention anything with the ability to measure morality the same way we do our knowledge of time, and to act upon it and apply that knowing to our environment.

Have you considered Tolstoy’s perspective on religion? That knowledge is knowledge no matter its source, no matter what we’ve rendered it ever since its been revealed and labeled. Tolstoy felt as though Jesus (who I equate as a moral philosopher/activist) was simply teaching a teaching that gives meaning to the life of a conscious capable being, and not what we now call “religjon.” All the blind men ever since that have applied their blindness to his teaching shouldn’t lead one to think that that’s what Jesus was ultimately really trying to say.

I agree. However, ignorance (lack of knowledge) is an inevitability, this would of course include the woes of taking oaths (promising to believe things as unquestionably true); “Do not take an oath at all.” - Matt 5:34.

Have you considered Tolstoy’s perspective on religion? That knowledge is knowledge no matter its source, no matter what we’ve rendered it ever since its been revealed and labeled. Tolstoy felt as though Jesus (who I equate as a moral philosopher/activist) was simply teaching a teaching that gives meaning to the life of a conscious capable being, and not what we now call “religion.” All the blind men ever since that have applied their blindness to his teaching shouldn’t lead one to think that that’s what Jesus was ultimately really trying to say.