There is a big narrative that loves to pick off the left-est of the left people in the US government, and come up with various bullshit reasons to criticize them. You’ll see a bunch of them down below in this thread, being negative about Bernie.
You’ll never hear this kind of argument applied anywhere else. Like, if Beto O’Rourke said Gaza was a genocide, you wouldn’t see all these Lemmy comments saying “TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH YOU PIECE OF SHIT” or whatever. When that handful of countries said they wouldn’t do sporting events with Israel, I didn’t see anyone commenting “YEAH WHERE WAS THIS TWO YEARS AGO WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WAR CRIMES CHARGES” or anything like that. The extensive nitpicking is only aimed at people like AOC and Bernie who are significant leftist voices in government.
If you want to know what Bernie’s been actually saying about Gaza, this is it:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uVDPXtnTXUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFhcSlrJcAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dd4cg-t8j8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_AWLQ4gk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBZreokpA_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRrHfsqg990
And so on. He’s been doing what most of Lemmy would like to see someone in the US Congress doing: Yelling about Israel, what a fucking horror it is, and trying to stop US military aid. This extensive nailbiting about him calling it “ethnic cleansing” instead of “genocide” is just going to get smoothly replaced by these users with some other reason to nailbite about him, definitely not with any enthusiasm or support for him. I guarantee it.
Yeah, pretty much.
Also:
Political alliances are bad because they would mean actually taking action. It’s much more comfortable to just sit around, criticize, and preach your moral superiority.
People get mad at Bernie because they expect better and are disappointed it took so long. No one expects better of Beto.
But even so-
Like, if Beto O’Rourke said Gaza was a genocide, you wouldn’t see all these Lemmy comments saying “TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH YOU PIECE OF SHIT” or whatever.
-you absolutely would lol
The bar is in hell
I legitimately have no idea how that man keeps going. Pretty sure I would’ve hung my hat up after the first 3 or 4 decades when things kept getting worse.
yea its been going on since he was like 7 years old. took long enough to say it out loud.
If you’re gonna look at a bigger timescale, you’re really asking for a “both sides” argument. Its such a long and complicated conflict.
Yeah that was my undereducated take too. Time to wake up from years of propaganda my friend.
As a European, can someone explain to me why Bernie Sanders has never been running for president?
he did in 2016. dems sabotaged him in favour of Hillary
He was also in 2020 primaries. Same deal IIRC
Besides running advertisements against him, what did “the dems” do to sabotage his campaign?
Coordinated for all the centrists except Biden to drop out at the same time, while Warren and Sanders split the vote of the progressive wing. When it looked like Sanders had a decent shot at actually getting the nomination, all the centrists except Biden dropped out simultaneously and endorsed him. Biden won the nomination due to a giant DNC-coordinated rat-fucking.
Unpopular opinion but that sounds like a skill issue when the progressives could’ve done the same thing. And I say this as a Bernie voter.
And I say this as a Bernie voter.
If everyone who “says this as a Bernie voter” had actually voted for Bernie, We’d be in the first year of his 2016 running mate’s administration.
I saw a horrifying estimate of 680,000 murdered by israel in Gaza. Ten times the official figure. This is almost a third of the pre genocide population. It is a holocaust.
FYI I believe that’s the estimated casualty list.
Confirmed deaths are slightly below 70,000.
Absolutely horrific stuff, still.
That number is a very conservative estimate.
In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
The Lancet vol. 404, Issue 10449 p237-238July 20, 2024
Applying that now would suggest around 300k deaths, close to one in seven Palestinians in Gaza killed by the IDF.
That 70k barelly changed since Israel destroyed most of the hospitals in Gaza were the counting was done more than 9 months ago.
You see, that is the number of officially counted and identified dead, so to be counted the actual corpse has to be found (often amongst the rubble of bombed out buildings) in good enough condition to be identified, it has to be brough to a hospital were they do the counting and it has to be actually identified by somebody and against the list of Gaza residents.
For all those things to actually happen to a corpse in a highly urban war zone where entire families are wiped out when 2000lb bombs are dropped on buildings (so, who is going to identify the corpses?) the corpse has to be transported all the way to a hospital within a rubble-strewned city were over 70% of the buildings are destroyed, large parts are occupied by an enemy with a shoot on sight policity and which often targets ambulances, and the aggressor has activelly targetted the very places where the counting of dead is done, all of which by now adds to a very low probability combination, hence why that official number massivelly slowed down its increase around 9 months ago, when Israel destroyed most Gaza hospitals - it was hard enough to have all those events around a corpse happen when Gaza was still mainly intact, barelly occupied and Israel hadn’t been activelly suppressing the counting, and by now is very low probability.
Meanwhile in a letter of a researcher to the Lancet Medical Journal (edit: per the reference from another poster)
over 6 months agoin July 20, 2024, they estimatedaroundnear 200k dead and this was before the man-made famine.The IDF themselves have recently admitted having killed over 220k people.
All put together means that 600k estimate is very likely to be way closer to reality than the official 70k and might even be lower than reality.
Its difficult to confirm casualties at the bottom of a collapsed apartment blocks in a kill zone.
Yes, but does that not mean every casualty is a death.
No, there’s probably a lot more deaths that weren’t logged as deaths or casualties, because they were unreachable. We won’t have a real count until we can compare populations before and after.
Correct, which is why we should mention — the still horrific — number of deaths and casualties. Then say that the confirmed death count hasn’t change because the hospitals in Gaza have been reduced to rubble, so official counts have barely updated for months.
