Well, and there’s surveillance from the client’s side, meaning connecting to the network will be unsafe for your social rating. If you accidentally connect to the network for even a second, you’re done.

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        The Onion is the most closely watched part of the network by authorities

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          sorry, are you reffering to “The Onion” news or onoinsites?

          i think the hard-to-guess (ie you have to know the domain to find the site, you can’t just search for it or guess the domain) and anonymous nature of onoinsites means that authorities don’t really care about legal or mostly legal (ie not giant illegal goods marketplaces) as the effort to de-anonymise them is not worth it.

          if my assumptions are wrong then please correct me.

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            The onion network was made by the secret service and the military of the US, and all its servers. It is still used by those for intern communication and also controlled its traffic. More than 2000 sites raided by the authorities every year, show that it has few to do with security to use it, precisely because it is used by all kind of criminal activity. This is why eg, drugbarons nowadays prefer to use P2P comunication or simply pencil and paper. As aid, the future isn’t the Onion, it’s i2p or other decentralized networks.

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              don’t eepsites have a lot of the issues that onionsites have as well?

              if a party were to acquire a large portion of routers, eepsites could be deanonymised as well, couldn’t they? the only difference i see is that i2p is not as popular as tor and therefore not a target of agencies (yet).

              also i think most tor nodes nowadays are run by volunteers (of course you could argue that they are agencies in hiding)

              they also can’t control the network because the software is not designed to be controled (which we can confirm ourselves as it is open source)

              2000 sites every year? i wasn’t able to find anything on that

              from the markets and people that were deanonymised that i heard of, the crack in anonymity was always the person leaking their identity through some other means like using the same email for irl and dark web stuff or the feds applying social engeneering, not a fault of the tor network

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    They already did. Cloudflare is basically owning the net right now. And google. So, murica.

    Not even speaking about the majority of OSs people use. Windows, android, iOS…

    What exactly are you expecting that isn’t already there?

    Even the EU is about to cave in with “chat-control”.

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      and all because trump ripped the mask off and people got too uppity when they saw the live streaming genocide from gaza.

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          agreed and the trump is the only one who ripped of the mask; while the others used it heavily.

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    Mass surveilance already exists, and does so in ways the user isn’t going to realize. If it becomes so overt that people legitimately aren’t using the internet, even though it’s a critical function for the continued circulation of capital in the modern age with huge-scale production, then the system will either rectify that by returning to the less overt way or will collapse.

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        Why would they? Capitalism built up this system because it serves capital, destroying the system built to generate as much profit as possible is like building a house, living in it for a while, then demolishing it. Why? Now, capitalism is unsustainable, but what instead we see is desparation from capitalists to preserve it. That’s what fascism is, the violent affirmation of the existing system. Capitalists aren’t Marvel villians. They’re real, with real drives for their real crimes.

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          You’ve seen how digital IDs are being introduced in the UK without people’s consent? What will you say when this happens across Europe, then in the US and other countries, again without people’s consent?

          They need power for the sake of even more power, because there is nothing higher… This, in my opinion, is an excellent explanation of what the hell is going on.

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            Yes, digital IDs aren’t there to induce collapse, it’s just a bit more overt information control. No, capitalists don’t seek power for more power, power is sought for its ability to facilitate profits. One-liners aren’t true because they sound cool, but because they have attachment to material reality, and the reality of capitalism is that it selects for those capitalists that best obtain the most profits.

            As the rate of profit has a tendency to fall, this needs to be countered by raising absolute profits, which means expansion and accumulation continuously. Control can help facilitate this, but it can also backfire, it was the intense control of colonialism that brought the end of colonialism by inciting national backlash. The same is happening with capitalist imperialism, the global south is reacting against the underdevelopment pushed on it from imperialism.

            You need to analyze why systems function and where they are heading, please stop focusing on a Marvel-style good vs evil framing. That’s not how reality functions.

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    That’s fine. I’ll make my own internet. With blackjack, and hookers. In fact, forget the internet!

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      Smartphones will likely also be outlawed and replaced by the mark of the beast, a chip under the skin.

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        By implanted neuralink chips in every newborn, with centralized gov servers.

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        One or two companies are going to influence governments so much they’re practically gonna write laws themselves. Probably Apple or Meta. Luckily, this will likely only affect the US because our government likes to spy on us too much and will bow down to these companies.