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“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

  • Omega@lemmy.world
    218·
    9 hours ago

    So the split hairs is that technically it’s not communism because it’s not helping the workers?

    This really feels like “no true Scotsman”. The government that workers chose, seized the means of production. This is communism.

    • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
      4·
      6 hours ago

      This is state capitalism. Words have meaning, it’s not “no true Scotsman” simply because you’re using the wrong word.

    • Ruxias@lemmy.world
      5·
      6 hours ago

      It’s not “no true Scotsman”, you just have a completely blurred concept of what communism even is. Literally happening under a capitalist economy, with a dictatorship of the bourgeois.

      This is part and parcel of fascism by the way: the muddying of discourse itself so terms become meaningless. Everything becomes everything, and nothing all at once. Education is the cure. I’d recommend reading communist texts if you want to learn more of the difference.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      9 hours ago

      It’s not even under the illusion of communism you nonce. So no, it’s not communism.

      Might as well call Trump the real “woke librul antifa” if you don’t care about the meaning words.

    • mitram@sopuli.xyz
      10·
      9 hours ago

      I guess what @degen@midwest.social is trying to point at is that worker’s don’t truly control the government and so when the current government seizes the means of production it’s closer to a change of hands between different groups of capitalists than anything envisioned by communists.

      I’d also like to say that although the government has “seized” 10% of Intel shares for example it has no control over Intel’s decisions. Those shares only provide dividends.

      • TronBronson@lemmy.world
        27·
        8 hours ago

        THIS ISNT REAL COMMUNISMM REEEEEEEE

        -no shit Sherlock we know it’s not an imaginary classless utopia because I’m still poor

      • TronBronson@lemmy.world
        14·
        8 hours ago

        Question was the history of the USSR what you envisioned as communism because that’s what we’re comparing this to? You understand no one’s thinking about your belief in what communism is right? We are using the term communist to refer to the USSR related propaganda we enjoyed as children. No one cares what your vision of communism looks like and how it compares to the Trump administration ffs. How many of you are going to embarrass yourself stating this strange sentiment

        • mitram@sopuli.xyz
          3·
          7 hours ago

          I guess politics is a touchy topic for some.

          I don’t know why you are insinuating I’m:

          1. Agreeing with the original commenter (OC)
          2. Communist

          I was just attempting to clear up what OC was getting at, no need to get all worked up over it.

          To answer your questions.

          1. The USSR never achieved what I understand to be communism
          2. I understand it’s uncommon to actually comprehend what political terms mean, heck I struggle quite a bit, but that’s why all who read the definitions must, as politely as possible, spread to others what they learnt. In this case what Harris should have said is a dictator period, at most a capitalist one.

          Feel free to point out anything I might have gotten wrong, cheers

    • degen@midwest.socialEnglish
      4·
      8 hours ago

      It can feel that way when communism isn’t really understood. It’s not communism because it’s still capitalism, explicitly. 10% of shares makes the government insider capital, nothing else, and definitely not communist.