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It’s too late.
We know who you are.
So brave. So much backbone
Jimmy Kimmel needs to do a solid 15 minutes of nothing but Charlie Kirk material when he returns
He needs to bash cowardly media executives for the entire segment and then quit at the end, after encouraging people to keep boycotting.
There’s a skill to recognizing when you have your opponent by the balls. This is one of those times. That night, Kimmel can get away with just about anything short of uncensored f-bombs and nudity. What could they possibly do? Un-un-cancel him?
Damn, f-b***s and nudity? The thing that is on daytime tv in civilised countries? Can you imagine?
I don’t watch the show, and I cancelled Disney+/Hulu. That being said, I’m just stoked that Trump is going to be so mad.
I might watch just to boost the numbers that he hates so much
Why would trump be mad? This proves that we’re living in an atmosphere where he can do whatever he wants, and only a massive response can do anything to stop him.
This means that while he won’t get away with censoring Kimmel, he will get away with censoring many, many others that do not have the support Kimmel has.
It’s genuinely mob rule.
Why would trump be mad?
It proves his power isn’t absolute, so I can see him requiring a huge dose of
(Although, according to RFK Jr and his voice that ressembles a garbage disposal and his face that looks like a microwaved Mel Gibson, that could cause autism).
Microwaved Mel Gibson is fucking perfect.
I’m more excited to see what comes out of this than what Jimmy Kimmel does.
Dont care, fuck ABC.
Yeah I think we’re done. Even Dad has stopped watching ABC News in the evenings.
what… uh, news does he watch now then?
Don’t care
I don’t watch ABC — though I’ll occasionally look at their website — but I do care. I think that it’s a positive not to have Kimmel kicked off over this.
here’s the rub - he was kicked off and you cannot unring that bell. he was restored sure. but both actions are for two very big reasons. the former because of an alliance with fascism and the latter because of an alliance toward profit.
The damage has been done.
Anyone who resubscribes because of this is an absolute tool.
Don’t worry, I never subscribed in the first place. Yaaaarrrrrrr…
Right? I went from passively refusing to give Disney my (non-existent) money to actively refusing to give Disney my (still non-existent) money.
Ugh. I have a free sub through my internet. Can I cancel that somehow?
Contact your ISP and let them know you aren’t interested in a Disney+ subscription and why. Mention any competing ISP in your area has whatever other streaming service, and its tempting because its not Disney+.
Guess you just have to cancel your whole Internet then, aw shucks
I don’t watch Kimmel. Nothing particularly against him I’m just not that into late night shows. But the real test here will be whether he’s been gagged from specific topics and people.
None of this, not one iota, is about what we watch. I see person after person commenting “I don’t watch Kimmel, but…”
Frankly, it could have been censorship of a right wing show like Charlie Kirk and our response should be the same.
It’s not about our preferences. It’s about Freedom of Speech and the articles in the Bill of Rights.
Which is literally why I mentioned there is a real test here.
But you started with “I don’t watch Kimmel.” That is entirely irrelevant in this test.
I am not trying tobe difficult, but so many things online get turned into personal issues reflexively. This one is so huge that to minimize it to preference is to miss the point.
I get that’s not what you may be doing, however, the core institutions important to this country’s identity are right now being dismantled. It’s not about our preferences.
I am pretty sure they mentioned they don’t watch just to emphasize that it matters either way.
Did you read the entirety of what you replied to?
Yep. You explained to them, in a scolding manner, a point that they themselves already made. So I think if anyone didn’t read here, it’s you.
I’ll disagree that fascist speech and the foment of violence should be protected. I’m not cheering what happened to Kirk but not sad about it.
And that is your right.
I also agree with your position, but I believe in the right to speak freely even more vehemently.
If he doesn’t come out swinging by mentioning front-and-center how the president and corporation colluded to have him censored, then he still lost.
I suspect we’ll find out in his opening monologue.
My bet, he treats it like a victory lap, does a few innocuous jabs at “both sides”, drops one really sharp line seemingly off script, and then continues the show as if nothing happened. He will make fun of how awkward Trump was at the Kirk memorial, and make no mention of racism, bigotry, or fascism because that’s the deal they made.
And I can’t say I blame him. The gun isn’t to his head. It’s pointed at all of the people who work on the show and don’t have the political freedom that comes with being extremely rich.
The most reasonable take here honestly
Until the board & Iger are tossed, I’m still not going to give you assholes, or your advertisers, any more money.
It’s not Disney’s fault, really. It’s Sinclair and Nexstar, the affiliate networks. They’re the ones that could have pushed back without drastic financial consequences, and they’re the ones that pressured ABC to can the show.
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility they cannot ignore. They handled this as well as they could (and likely raised hell behind closed doors).
Put your ire where it belongs: the fascists and their supporters, not the businesses trying to survive this hellscape without breaking laws
There are LOTS of reasons to hate Disney and their management but this isn’t one of them IMO
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility
I’m so sick of this braindead god-damned cop out. A fascist authoritarian has seized power. If your FiDuCiArY rEsPoNsIbIlItY necessitates absconding moral and ethical responsibilities, let the stupid company burn. Sacrifices must be made to achieve and maintain self governance.
I mean, I personally agree with the sentiment, but I’m not naive enough to think that’s the argument we should be having right now. We can tackle “should businesses be expected to self-immolate for the sake of morality” once the fascists are fucking gone.
Like, they did exactly what they were supposed to do here and managed the fucking crisis then got him back on the air ASAP. But people are pissed at Disney for playing the fucking game instead of at Sinclair and Nexstar, because Disney is a more visible target. It’s myopic and pointless.
If Sinclair owns one of many local affiliates in your area and they own all networks across the country call that local network’s advertisers up and let him know that you’re not going to buy their products.
Yup! Been doing this and got Nexstar too
They worked as predefined by the priorities given by Disney.
Disney chose to give instructions that lead to this kind of occurrences, among other stuff.
Huh? What are you talking about? Sinclair and Nexstar are not in any way beholden to Disney. They are affiliate networks. They are not in any way a part of Disney or operating under their guidance
Disney management has a fiduciary responsibility they cannot ignore.
Sorry, but this is a complete misunderstanding of how this works.
Recognizing that pulling Kimmel’s show would result in severe harm to the brand, short term and long term, matches that responsibility as well. Shareholders can even make the decision to claim the board (and specifically Iger) were in violation of their duties with this decision. The blowback was obvious and expected.
They absolutely are at fault.
There has literally never been a case where defending free speech or any other ethical/moral position in the face of imminent business contract impact has successfully been used to defend against a breach of fiduciary responsibility claim.
You are talking about an imminent threat of action from extremely powerful business partners vs a nebulous argument towards the impact of moral decision making on profitability. Quite the contrary, there is a huge body of evidence that shows behaving immorally is often the most profitable behavior.
Brand damage from taking a show off the air for a week is far easier to undo than the fallout from two major affiliates cancelling their contracts for your entire network.
Sorry, I know what point you’re trying to make, and you are theoretically correct but because it’s completely unprovable with no precedent you are practically incorrect.
vs a nebulous argument towards the impact of moral decision making on profitability.
No, its that vs the clearly expected consumer response, which has a permanent brand impact and a short term subscriber/vacationer/etc impact, not to mention the 2% drop in stocks (an over $4b impact).
Ignoring ethics, this was a bad business decision. The long term impact is obviously not yet known, but the short term impact was rapid and strong.
It’s not a zero sum game. Once the FCC chair did what he did and the affiliate networks made their desires known, there were only two choices: gamble on the brand sentiment impact of pulling the show for an unknown amount of time (which we know now was short) or gamble by playing chicken with the affiliate networks and FCC chair.
As sad as it is to say, we have a lot of data about this: brand image problems are almost always transient while fights with corporate partners and regulators have drastic long term impact.
I abhor the fact that it’s true, but c’mon, it’s pretty clear what someone’s choice would be in that situation if they’re prioritizing shareholder value. Which, again, they are required to by law.
EDIT: I want to be clear here… You are talking as if “people get pissed but we bring it back a week later and then everyone moves on” wasn’t the best possible outcome for them given the circumstances. I think it was, and that was calculated.
fights with corporate partners and regulators have drastic long term impact.
Sinclair was going to do what Sinclair was going to do regardless:
I’ll pull one key part of that article:
Nexstar, it should be noted, has a $6 billion-plus deal pending before the FCC to acquire Tegna, an agreement that would make it by far the largest owner of local TV stations in the country. Sinclair has also expressed a desire to pursue M&A, which would also require FCC approval
So the only fight Disney would have is with the FCC chair and an act so blatantly in violation of the constitution republicans commented on it, or immediate damage to the brand.
EDIT: I want to be clear here… You are talking as if “people get pissed but we bring it back a week later and then everyone moves on” wasn’t the best possible outcome for them given the circumstances. I think it was, and that was calculated.
Everyone has not moved on though.
People canceled subscriptions, many have been commenting they aren’t going back.
You are assuming it was calculated, but from early reports a lot of the executive suite was angry about the quick decision that was made, and how it would be damaging to Disney long term.
This is all hypotheticals now, so I’m not going to do some back and forth on guesswork. But to suggest that it was an issue of fiduciary duty - no, that was not the only choice based on financial impact. The brand is damaged. Subscriptions were on a rise and went into a freefall. Resorts saw a massive amount of cancelations, which will severely impact park revenue as well.
I stand by what I said - that was a severe misunderstanding or misstatement regarding fiduciary duties.
Him, and Jesus, apparently
hope he comes on, says fuck abc and quits and leaves the stage. he won’t though because he is a literal part of the problem.
You’re also asking all the writers and crew to lose their jobs. They can’t necessarily slide into another one like Kimmel can.
not like there’s a million and a half shows in production at any given moment.
In what way is he a part of what problem?
“We didn’t know you’d be this mad”
I’ll be deeply disappointed if Kimmel apologizes for anything.
I hope he doubles down and calls all these fuckers out for the corruption happening
A reminder of what Kimmel was fired for. He showed trump completely not care about kirk’s death.
Starts at about 2 minutes.
Video of monologue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk
He really ought to work a quick cut of that clip into his new monologue. He doesn’t have to be talking about Charlie, just something about the latest announcement from Trump, run the clip, oops, that’s still in the machine from when they axed me last week, here’s the new one, something about autism.
Fuck disney still tho
Yeah, awesome, amazing. I’m so stoked. Really … No, I love the man show guy, and late night TV is so relevant. But… I’ll leave Disney+ cancelled. I’m not really into the whole capitulation to fascism thing. It just kinda seems like Disney only cares about the bottom line, money. Thanks, and fuck you Mickey. It’s weird that you own pluto when you are best friends with goofy. Totally fucked up. They are both dogs.
I’m glad someone is talking about the real issues
This is how capitalism works… it’s about the dollar you make today, not tomorrow or the next… it hurt the dollars they made, so they had to respond… nothing more nothing less…
Are they really both dogs though, I mean one of them is fully anthropomorphised, walks on two legs, talks, etc, while the other is more like just a normal dog. Seems like different species to me.
LET’S GO JIMMY
