You need to understand that both xyzzy and me were talking about future events. I’m sure if you did, you wouldn’t have accused me of lying.

They were stating that Israel was fishing for Hamas to make a mistake so they’d have an excuse to resume full-scale bombing in the future and I replied that it was looking like Hamas was already going to give them one in the future

I would draw a timeline for you but I must admit I don’t know how to attach it here

I’m originally replying to this:

They’re looking for any excuse to resume full-scale bombing, especially now that people have returned to Gaza City.

Nowhere am I saying Hamas lied about any of this or that they breached any agreement.

The current ceasefire is in place to facilitate the hostage exchanges.

The larger ‘peace plan’ sees this ceasefire continuing if Hamas continues to play ball, and ending if they don’t.

I’m not making excuses for Israel

I’m trying to explain to you that this isn’t a sports game where Israel gets ejected if they get two yellow cards

That has nothing to do with what was actually agreed on.

Well @homura1650@lemm.ee claimed no-one agreed to the 20-point ‘plan’. How does that map not have anything to do with that??

And not one of these red countries speaks or has the license to speak for Palestinians in Gaza

Sure, but that’s exactly the point: Palestinians in Gaza didn’t have any say in this. It is imposed upon them. It basically outlines Hamas’ surrender as the price for peace.

This exact hostage deal was on the table since Biden. Hamas didn’t accept it because it didn’t include Israel stopping the war. What do you think made them change their mind?

Ok thanks! Just that your post seemed to imply that they were mostly against muslims/islam

Deflecting? Can you explain how I am deflecting? I’m arguing why your point is irrelevant.

‘Phase One’, as you call it, requires Israel to ‘withdraw to the agreed upon line’. Do you think that means that IDF soldiers aren’t just going to fire on Palestinians they think are wandering too close? If it gets you off, sure, I’ll admit that that’s not conductive to the agreement.

But do you really think that after 70k+ dead, and multiples maimed and traumatized, and with Israel on the brink of razing Gaza City, they’re going to call the whole damn thing off because of some (and excuse my wording) small incidents?

Which ‘race’ is muslim?

Do you believe all Arabs have the same or a religion?

‘Counter offer’?

I really have to keep myself composed reading this

Hamas ‘agreed’ to the hostage exchange that was forced on them, because otherwise Israel was going to raze Gaza City with Trumps full support, and a lot of other countries’ silent support. The next thing that will be forced on them is disarming and making room for ‘peace troops’ with Gaza’s administration being taken over by the honorable dipshit Tony Blair.

What do you think the consequence will be if they refuse??

Do you think Bibi and Donnie are going to throw their hands above their heads because Hamas called their monumental bluff?

never agreed to by anyone

That’s completely delusional.

Here’s a map showing which governments support Trumps ‘plan’.

Which “terms” are you talking about??

Again, you seem to be under the impression or illusion that there is some kind of balanced “deal” between Hamas and Israel. There isn’t. Donnie T and Bibi B basically gave a list of demands, starting with returning the hostages and continuing with Hamas disarming and dissolving. And if Hamas doesn’t agree, Israel goes back in and continues what they were doing two weeks ago. With Trumps full support as well as all the countries that agreed to his ‘plan’.

“Step one”? “Deal”?

I’m talking about the imposed ‘peace plan’ with 20 points. Here’s what’s supposed to happen after the hostages are released:

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

Currently we’re at the point where there’s a handful of dead bodies left, probably in collapsed buildings or tunnels. Do you think that that Hamas found the magic loophole that lets them stay in power while they turn ‘step one’ into some neverending archeological adventure?

Agreement?

They don´t need to look for an excuse. Hamas is already saying they won´t disarm. So even if they return all the bodies, that alone means they´re in breach of the ´peace plan´ and Israel can go back in either way

Meanwhile, a senior Hamas official said Saturday that the group’s disarmament, one of the core conditions of Trump’s postwar agreement, is “out of the question.”

Uh-oh

If it comes to it, I fight.

Tell me you’ve never been on a sailing yacht on the open seas deciding whether you’re going to try and ram your way through some navy ships without telling me you’ve never been on a sailing yacht on the open seas deciding whether you’re going to try and ram your way through some navy ships

Abduction implies someone secretly being taken away and kept at an unknown location, their fate unknown and probably someone trying to ransom them to their family.

Here we have pictures of the IDF taking her, we know exactly where they’re taking her and what’s going to happen. They’re not going to physically harm her, going to give her an inconsequential slap on the wrist, and put her on a plane back home.

It’s ok to feel that’s wrong, but trying to make it seem more horrible by using words invented for something else just seems petty.

I don’t think they expected the crew of that ship to go Last Samurai here

how and why the selfie happened.

If you mean he forgot to caption “about to put a haymaker through this guy´s dick” I doubt that´s the case here

…and now their offices back at the base